Thursday, September 13, 2018

Male Modesty at the Urologist

How Urologists Can Be More Sensitive to Men’s Modesty?
By: Misty Roberts

Most urology practices in the United States do not employ male nurses or assistants, even in larger cities. This is a serious problem because approximately 75% of urology patients are male.
Often people wrongly assume that men don't care about their modesty. In many cases, this is simply not true. Societal norms say men are not supposed to be modest; that this is a sign of weakness. From childhood males are socialized to “man up”—make believe it doesn’t bother them—when faced with an embarrassing medical exam or procedure; to acknowledge embarrassment only serves to amplify it.
Many urologists may not realize that countless male patients forego medical care or stop coming to appointments because male nurses or assistants aren’t available and these patients feel they cannot speak up for fear of being labeled weak or crazy.  
All-male staffed urology clinics in the United States are nearly non-existent.  Nowadays, women have the option of going to an all-female ob/gyn practice; men should also have this option. Every major city in the United States should have at least one all-male staffed urology clinic specifically for men. These male-specific clinics could be very lucrative because male patients who avoided or delayed medical care would consider traveling to them. 

We encourage all urologists to work on being more sensitive to male patients. Below are some tips to use as a guide. 

Tips for Urologists:  

1.) Hire at least one male nurse and a male assistant for the urologic clinic. Recruit male nurses, ultrasound technicians, and assistants at the local community college if necessary.

 2.) If no male nurses or assistants are available do as many procedures such as vasectomy as possible without assistance. 
3.) Encourage office staff to respect male patients’ privacy. Educate female staff about patient sensitivity and health issues. For instance: a male patient may not want to talk to the female receptionist about his health issue. 

4.) Always give a male patient the option of having his wife present for procedures.  

5.) Consider putting a ‘Do Not Disturb’ sign on the exam door so other medical personnel do not randomly enter during intimate exams.  

6.) Consider starting a private all-male staffed urology clinic geared to special interest in male patients, especially getting them to see a doctor more often. Perhaps add a male gastroenterologist to the practice. Advertise the clinic as being all-male staffed and sensitive to men’s modesty. 

7.) Many men care about their modesty during surgical procedures, especially if they are under general anesthesia. For these modest patients who require surgery at a hospital or an outpatient surgery center commit to helping them get an all-male surgical team. Be open to using local or regional anesthesia whenever possible which allows the patient to be awake and alert during a procedure. It would give that modest patient peace of mind. 

Misty Roberts is the president / founder of Medical Patient Modesty (, a 501c3 non-profit organization that works to educate patients about their rights to modesty in medical settings.

Thursday, April 19, 2018

Unnecessary Underwear Removal For Surgery

by Misty Roberts

A number of surgery centers and hospitals across the United States, as well as in other countries, have routine policies requiring  that patients to remove underwear for all surgeries even if they do not involve the groin area or genitals. This ritual has been practiced for umpteen years.  Originally, it was an Operating Room tradition seemingly without clear medical indication

Fortunately, as of 2018, some hospitals have changed these policies and now allow patients to wear 100% cotton underwear during many surgeries. One hospital’s example of this type of policy allowing underwear: Only 100% cotton underwear is permitted. No Nylon underwear will be allowed.

The routine removal of patients’ underwear was first introduced when nylon underwear could potentially cause static electricity. Brown (1993) describes the ritual of making patients coming to the operating theatre remove their underwear as the “most illogical of rituals”. It is still practiced in many surgical units and should be stopped for the good reason that it causes embarrassment to the patient and serves no useful purpose.
It has been traditional for patients to put on clean clothing (and in some units to remove underwear) on the ward before being taken to the operating theatre. Any risk of infection from airborne spread from socially clean clothing is unlikely to be large because, in comparison with the operating team, little patient movement occurs during operations thus reducing the dispersal of microorganisms from skin and clothing.

How To Respond To Arguments By Medical Professionals:
1.)    We may need to insert a urinary catheter – Urinary Catheter is rarely needed for most surgeries that only take only a few hours. See article about unnecessary urinary catheters.  

2.)    Underwear could become stained by prep and body fluids – Most patients do not care about this and would prefer to have their underwear stained than sacrifice modesty.
3.)    Underwear could have metals in them – Most underwear does not have metals in them. Patients could simply wear 100% cotton underwear with no metals or disposable underwear.

4.)    Need for antiseptic cleaning of the groin – This is not relevant unless the groin is in the operative field. Patients routinely cleanse their entire body with a sterile-type solution 2-3 times before surgery.

5.) We need immediate emergency access to femoral vessels in case of emergencies – Underwear can be removed quickly if necessary.  There is a minimal percentage of this happening.

6.) No underwear helps to maintain a sterile environment – The operating room is not as sterile as the medical profession claims.  If the ‘no underwear’ policy helped to maintain a sterile environment, doctors and nurses should not wear underwear either. Medical professionals often carry more germs than the surgery patient because of restroom breaks as well as interactions with numerous other patients all without changing scrubs in between. Most infections that happen as a result of surgeries are due to medical professionals not washing their hands and bringing germs into the operating room.

Look at this statement from Behaviour and Rituals in the Operating Theatre – Orthoteers
( A recent editorial from Canada noted no increase in infection rates in patients undergoing day-case cataract removal when the patients remained fully dressed to enter the theatre, including their ordinary shoes.

It is very disturbing that operating room personnel at some hospitals routinely remove patients’ gowns and underwear once the patient is under anesthesia and re-dress the patient before he or she wakes up. This is very unethical and deceptive. Many patients have no idea how they are completely exposed when they are under anesthesia.

We have received stories of some very heartbreaking cases. One lady who had hand surgery woke up naked before they were able to put the gown back on. There was no reason for her to be naked. She could have easily worn underwear, shorts, and bra with no metals for this kind of surgery. It would have been best if she could have opted for local or regional anesthesia and not general anesthesia.
A knee surgery patient’s genitals will often be exposed if he/she is not wearing underwear when the surgical team lifts her/his gown. Patients should be allowed to wear 100 percent cotton underwear or disposable underwear for all surgeries that do not involve genitals such as lobectomy, knee replacement surgery, etc. 

All patients should write on their consent form that they do not allow removal of underwear for surgeries which do not involve the genitals; and request a copy of the consent form with the surgeon’s signature. Patients have to stand up and break this ridiculous OR tradition which violates patients’ modesty.

If your hospital still has a policy that requires you to remove your underwear for all surgeries, you should consider starting a petition at your hospital to end this outdated policy. You can use this sample petition and modify it. 

Saturday, November 11, 2017

Privacy Violations: A patient's experience

Privacy Violations and how I dealt with them
by 'Still Standing'

(Moderators' note: This poster did not want to be personally identified to protect all concerned.  Although we do not favor this policy, his real identity is known to us, and we have permitted it as we have done on rare occasions before.)

I had a bad Patient Privacy experience at a VA Clinic and filed the complaint copied below. I prefer not to list the City or individual names, mostly out of respect because they have responded favorably to my complaint. The word Facility is the name of the VA Clinic, and the other Italicized words are similar substitutions. The medical procedure was in late August 2017.
VA Facility Outpatient Clinic August, 2017
Dear Ms. Patient Experience Chief:
I am registering a complaint of people in my procedure room who had nothing to do with my procedure. Four times during my procedure the door was opened and people not part of my procedure were allowed to enter. This involved seven or more people. My privacy was invaded and my sense of modesty disregarded.
On The Day, a little before 8 AM I checked into Clinic C at the Facility VA for a scheduled colonoscopy at 9. My name was soon called and a woman introduced herself as Nurse. She said she would be monitoring my status during my procedure.
Nurse led me to the procedure room and closed the door. There was a bathroom off of the procedure room where Nurse gave me the necessary directions: Take off all your clothes and put them in this white bag. Put on this gown, it opens in the back. And put on these booties, you can wear your socks under the booties if you want. Nurse then left and closed the bathroom door.
When I came out of the bathroom the procedure room door was open and four or more people were standing in the procedure room, near the door, talking to each other and also talking to Nurse. There was also one or two people in the hallway who seemed to be involved with the people in the room and not walking by. The people in the room were dressed in green scrubs and scrub caps. One of the women in the scrubs made eye contact with me. Those people seemed to hurry wrapping up their conversations and left in a minute or two. The door was closed.
Nurse helped position me on the gurney and asked me if I wanted a blanket. I said I did and she left to get one. A man came in dressed in green scrubs and a hair net. He introduced himself as MedTech and said he would be assisting the Doctor during my colonoscopy. Nurse returned with the blanket. Doctor Last Name came in and introduced himself and said he would be conducting my colonoscopy. Soon the Doctor and MedTech were involved with their preparations in front of an instrument table.
A man came in dressed in civilian clothes, he walked up to MedTech and the Doctor and said “I had a great weekend, and yes, I can afford to retire in Reno.” He went on to tell them how he and his wife investigated real estate options in Reno. Evidently being in a good school district will raise the cost of buying a home, and that might not be a good value if you don’t have school age children. He also talked a bit about social and entertainment options that were readily found. Surely there must be even more to do if we just had time to look around.
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This man was quite happy and excited. He walked around the foot of my gurney and around the left side to a stool beside my head. While walking he looked into my gurney and strongly avoided making eye contact. He sat on the stool and told his friends that he and his wife also went to a city just outside of Sparks to look at a retirement community and at the general real estate market there. Evidently the retirement facility was nice but they didn’t imagine themselves involved with the social activities there. He said that 20% of the residents do not participate in those activities and so that community might work out for them after all. I could tilt my head up and left and look at him while he was talking. He avoided eye contact. When I looked toward Nurse she had turned her back. MedTech and the Doctor were facing this man and talking with him and they did not look at me. This man and his wife thought this little town outside of Sparks had a lot of potential and they looked forward to finding out more about it.
After ten minutes or so, I wasn’t wearing a watch, this man left. His exit path followed ninety percent of the perimeter of my gurney, during which time he did not make eye contact. I believe he is a staff member of VA Facility but I don’t think he is a member of the medical staff. He may not work in that building. If my procedure had required me to be exposed during his visit, then he would have had full view of my nudeness while he was visiting with his friends.
This man probably entered the room without knowledge of the exact procedure being performed, because he went there to visit his friends where they work: he wasn’t there to watch a colonoscopy per se. If I was there for a different procedure which required me to be fully exposed, this man would have been permitted to stay in the procedure room and have a full view of me. I do not know if he would enjoy having a full view of me, and I do not think that whether he would enjoy it or not is relevant. What is relevant is my sense of privacy. I do surrender my privacy for a medical procedure, but only to a medical staff involved with my immediate medical issue.
If an opposite gender patient had been in that room, and was exposed during her procedure, then that man would have a full view of her as long as he chose to stay and visit his friends. And I am not concerned that myself or other patients “have something” that this man or other VA staff “have not seen.” I realize that nude men and women have been seen before. I am concerned that I am required to be nude in front of people for no medical reason.
If that opposite gender patient had been sedated, or if I had been sedated, then “What the patient doesn’t know won’t hurt them.” Well, I disagree. Patients are affected by how the staff views them. When the staff views the patient as someone whose rights can be easily taken away from them, then the patient loses some humanity in the eyes of the staff.
Current VA Facility PRACTICE (not written policy, but practice) is disregard of patient privacy and modesty. Look at my experience, this cannot be a one-time oddity. This must be an environment. For various employees at the VA to have access to disrobed patients, without a medical reason, is disgusting. And when the patient is sedated it becomes creepy.
Returning to my procedure, there were two additional times when someone entered the procedure room. I believe it was the same man both times. He was dressed in scrubs and wore a scrub hat. He went to cabinets to put things in the cabinet and take things out of the cabinet. He made eye contact and offered a smile. I appreciated that.
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My procedure was completed soon after 9. I asked Nurse and MedTech about the man who talked so much and was not a part of the procedure. They looked at me with dull faces and said nothing. Is patient privacy a taboo subject?
As a patient, I surrender all Authority over my privacy of self and over my genital modesty when I enter a medical situation that requires it. When I surrender this Authority the medical staff cannot only take over this authority, they must also take the Responsibility that goes with it. The medical staff taking this authority from me is responsible to be a good steward of my privacy and modesty. The VA Facility medical staff holds my privacy and modesty in utter contempt.
This has got to change.
First, patient privacy cannot be a taboo subject. Patient inquiries cannot be stonewalled.
I received a procedure follow up phone call from TelephonePerson. She said she was sorry that people were allowed into my room who were not involved with my care. She told me there is an existing policy that only attending nurses and doctors are allowed in patient areas. I am sure she is right. I want to see copies of these existing policies. Perhaps these policies can be added to the Patient Bill of Rights. If VA Facility takes my complaint seriously, then I need to be copied on emails and reports about my complaint. There has to be an educational process to change this environment. I need to be informed about that educational process. This has to change.
Patient name and contact info.
I filed my complaint two days after the event. I looked up the Patient Advocate office at the Facility but the phone numbers listed were out of order, due to office renovations. I ended up calling the head of the department, Ms. Patient Experience Chief, whose office is at Headquarters in a Distant City, but I think I would have gotten the same response and results if I had started with the local Patient Advocate. I did enjoy talking the with the Department Head and at the time believed my case would be better handled by starting with her.
After ten days I got a letter from the Lab that the polyps discovered during the procedure were not cancerous. From that letter I also got the names and titles of Nurse and MedTech. I looked them up in the medical staff directory. A few weeks later I returned to the directory and their names were gone.
Two weeks after my letter I got a phone call from the Case Manager for GI Services, whom I will refer to as CaseManager. Mr. CaseManager was very encouraging and said there was an evidence of an
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environment problem with patient privacy before my complaint. He asked if he could send my complaint to interested parties, with my name and contact information. I consented.
That same day I got a phone call from Doctor LastName who thanked me for my feedback. He identified two problems: first that the patient was not sedated and second that the conversation was better suited for the break room. He assured me the man in street clothes (I said civilian clothes in my original letter) was the highest skilled nurse in the GI Department. He stated further that no one outside the GI Department is allowed in that area. He said that in every hospital and clinic there are people going in and out of procedure rooms that are not involved in the procedure in that room but they are medical personnel pursuing medical work in other rooms close by.
Remembering lessons I learned reading this blog and its’ articles, I addressed him by his title and last name and was relaxed when I spoke respectfully to him. I complained that the nurse had turned her back on me and that she and the technician had stonewalled me and that I had been generally treated with contempt. The Doctor responded that he takes care of the procedure and the support staff takes care of the patient. He would not directly address my question of whether friends would often drop in during times when the patient was sedated; in fact, everyone I talked to denied any knowledge of that one way or the other.
Three weeks after my complaint the CaseManager said the GI Department Chief had come from Headquarters, for the department monthly meeting, and had someone read my entire complaint to the whole department. They said that procedures had not been followed and the larger issue was that the patient should always come first. They had discussed incorporating my issues into on-going training.
I eventually talked to the Nurse Manager of the GI Department. She said they were installing signs outside each procedure room that would indicate when the room was in use, and also installing curtains in each room, three feet in from the door. If a staff person needs to get something out of the room, or to talk to another staff person in the room, then they will make that request and so forth, from behind the curtain.
In talking further with the NurseManager she confirmed that the invasion of privacy I experienced would never happen to a female veteran; because they have two important safeguards built into their system. One is the female veteran patient can request and receive a same gender health care team. Secondly, the female veteran is always accompanied by a medically credentialed, same gender attendant. NurseManager explained that the attendant would have stopped anyone who was not involved with the patient from entering the room. She was very proud of the service and respect they provide for the female veteran but acknowledged that it was not available for the male veteran due to personnel issues, all the men health care workers had been replaced with women; there were not enough men left to provide same gender care or accompaniment.
I left my conversation with NurseManager with a lot implied but unspoken. I was ready to take what victory I had and go. I also enjoyed talking with her in a respectful way and told her I considered the issue resolved, which she was glad to hear

Tuesday, March 28, 2017

Chaperone violation and resolution

How to resolve the issue 

by RG

Moderators note:  This post is anonymous at the request of the author.  However his actual identity is known to one of us. 
For more background on this topic refer to the article on chaperones and the article on privacy complaints.


I get my most of my health care from a large group practice in the town where I live; one of my two  primary care providers there was a female nurse-practitioner who I’d been seeing for 5-6 years and had a good professional relationship with. Last summer, I was taking a shower and noticed a large swelling on one of my testicles. Knowing this was not something I could put off, I immediately made an appointment with my NP, who fortunately was able to see me that same morning. I was a little self-conscious about being examined by her, but based on our prior history – and the fact that I’d had intimate exams from other female doctors over the years -- I figured I could get over myself.
Anyway, after talking with me briefly about the swelling I’d noticed, she got up and went to the sink to wash her hands. “When was the last time you had a testicular exam?” she asked. Not exactly an announcement of what she planned to do; on the other hand, I knew it was coming, so I wasn’t surprised. “This will be my first,” I said. She nodded, then instructed me to take my pants and underwear down to my ankles, lie down on the examining table, and cover myself with a large cloth. She left the room for a few minutes while I did so. But then, when she knocked and opened the door again, one of the intake nurses (also female) was right behind her. Without a word, they positioned themselves on either side of me, directly across from each other at my hips. Then the NP pulled the drape completely off me, exposing my genitals to both women. I was so shocked and embarrassed I literally couldn’t speak – the NP hadn’t said anything beforehand about bringing in a witness, and obviously hadn’t asked my permission for someone else to be in the room. Before this experience, I had never even heard of “chaperones,” and had never been undressed in a doctor’s office for anyone but that doctor. The other thing that bothered me was that the nurse literally did nothing the entire time but stand there staring at my exposed equipment. She did not say a word to me or make eye contact at any point, and wasn’t assisting the NP in any way. As soon as the exam was finished, she turned and left the room.
The swelling turned out to be a cyst, and I was referred to a (male) urologist who recommended surgery to remove it. That took up most of my attention for the next several weeks, during which time I noticed some glaring differences from my initial exam in terms of modesty acknowledgement. I’ll just give you two examples. First, a female ultrasound technician who not only didn’t demand a witness, but made sure to drape me in such a way that only my testicles were exposed and nothing else (not even my bare thighs), and only while she was actually examining me. When she had to stop for a few minutes to check her records, she readjusted the drape so that I was completely covered until she returned to resume the ultrasound.  Secondly, in the recovery room after my surgery, the nurse attending me asked if I would like her to change places with my wife when getting dressed to leave – an offer I gratefully accepted.  Gradually, as I pieced together my memories of the initial exam, I began to realize how seriously and unnecessarily my privacy had been violated. At that point, I sent a letter to the NP, asking why the nurse had been present and why I hadn’t been consulted about it. She replied in a 4-line email stating that it was her “policy” to have a witness present whenever patients were undressed, that it was “for your protection as well as mine,” and recommending that I see a different provider in future for intimate exams. I took her advice a bit further, and sent her another note terminating our relationship. I obtained a copy of her clinical note for the exam, which to my surprise did not list the name or credentials of the witness, just the phrase “Chaperone during exam: female present.”  I went back to the facility in person to get that information; the clerk I spoke with seemed surprised that I was asking, but obliged me.
Since the NP’s response was so unsatisfactory, I decided to follow Dr. Joel Sherman’s recommendations (see, and gradually worked my way up through their chain of command (threatening to file a complaint with the state medical board probably helped). Ultimately, I was invited to meet with their two top directors. I told them I preferred not to seek disciplinary action, but did require an acknowledgement that both their NP and their nurse had acted improperly, along with some meaningful protections that would keep me from being placed in that situation again. I pointed out the implicit double standard in allowing two female staff members to attend an undressed male patient; they agreed that the reverse situation would never be allowed to happen at their facility, but said that the small number of male nurses on their staff made that double standard difficult to avoid. I offered to sign an a priori waiver of legal liability in exchange for a universal exemption from “chaperones” in their practice, but they did not agree to it. Their position was that individual providers had a right to third-party witnesses if they desired. Instead, they told me they would post a note in my electronic chart so that any provider in their practice would know my wishes in advance; they also agreed to attach a letter from my therapist, stating that the presence of such third-party observers was emotionally harmful for me. Their thinking was that any provider seeing that information would be likely to respect my preference and not be worried that I was just looking for a way to trap them into a lawsuit.
At my request, they also gave me some advice for negotiating with any new providers: if circumstances permitted, I should arrange for an “establish care visit” in which the provider and I addressed my refusal of witnesses and came to some agreement in advance about how to proceed. In the event of an urgent situation, such as I’d had with my cyst, and the new provider was not willing to work without a “chaperone,” I could ask that provider to switch places with a colleague who would honor my wishes, so that I wouldn’t have to delay treatment by rescheduling.
In our meeting, the directors also announced that they were planning to train their entire staff in proper chaperoning protocols – something they admitted they had not done previously. I asked for, and subsequently received, a copy of the informational materials they developed for this training. To their credit, every one of my complaints is being addressed: providers know they have to announce their intention to have an observer beforehand and specifically ask for consent; “chaperones” themselves are explicitly instructed to be attentive to patients’ signs of vulnerability and embarrassment, and to provide reassurance -- verbally and by maintaining eye contact. The training materials also clearly state that opposite-sex witnessesc are equally inappropriate for male and female patients, thus apparently ending that double-standard at their institution. I sent a written reply, thanking them and commending them specifically for their progressive stance on male modesty.
In closing, I’d like to offer my thanks to Mr. Capra for hosting this site, and to everyone else who has posted here. Your thoughts and shared wisdom helped me learn how to advocate for myself, and to believe that change is possible if one is willing to help make it possible.